You can see pics of the accompanied swag over at my blog.

I'm not a Zelda fan, but you always know every game is going to be solid.

That hourglass is cool, though. Swag is great in general.

Wow. Another Zelda game...

Wyte, we get it. You don't care about console games.

He's too busy playing Korean MMOs to play Zelda, crazy.

wytefang wrote:Wow. Another Zelda game...

when you are typing out a post, think to yourself for a moment
"do I have anything to add to this conversation?"

when the answer is no, hit the back button and go read another thread.


Anyway, the controls sound neat I will have to try it out.

HoChiWaWa wrote:Anyway, the controls sound neat I will have to try it out.

As strange as they sound, they work really well. It's very easy to run through the world and navigate past enemies and objects.

I've been really looking foward to this title... and can't wait to try the new controls. All the new vids online about the game keep making me more excited. Damn you for getting an advanced copy!

Snowcone wrote:

HoChiWaWa wrote:Anyway, the controls sound neat I will have to try it out.

As strange as they sound, they work really well. It's very easy to run through the world and navigate past enemies and objects.

how does attacking and such work?

HoChiWaWa wrote:

Snowcone wrote:

HoChiWaWa wrote:Anyway, the controls sound neat I will have to try it out.

As strange as they sound, they work really well. It's very easy to run through the world and navigate past enemies and objects.

how does attacking and such work?

I'll post more about that tonight when I'm really into that part of the game.

graham wrote:Wyte, we get it. You don't care about console games.

Nope, not it at all. Just tired of the same game being recycled over and over and over again.

Ben wrote:He's too busy playing Korean MMOs to play Zelda, crazy.

Um, no...but nice try. LOL

HoChiWaWa wrote:

wytefang wrote:Wow. Another Zelda game...

when you are typing out a post, think to yourself for a moment
"do I have anything to add to this conversation?"

when the answer is no, hit the back button and go read another thread.

Interesting, this same thing could be said for about HALF the population at SBG. Just because someone questions any game (at all), doesn't mean that 1. they're evil, 2. they have some internal bias, or 3. they just want to dump on threads for no reason. Believe it or not, it's entirely possible to have decent discussions and debate if you're not tied, in fanboy fashion to your chosen games' success or popularity.

I know that maturity is hard to come by around SBG (at times) but come on, folks, at least make an effort. It certainly doesn't help the site any, that much is for certain.

wytefang wrote:

graham wrote:Wyte, we get it. You don't care about console games.

Nope, not it at all. Just tired of the same game being recycled over and over and over again.

Just because it's another entry in a popular series doesn't mean it's the same game. It was designed from the ground up for the DS and touch screen controls.

It would be really nice if you waited to pass judgment until after you played it.

Honestly, I wasn't saying it wasn't going to be good. My comment was a slightly sarcastic dig at the fact that certain game developers ::: cough ::: Nintendo ::: cough :::...love to recycle their franchises endlessly.

This game actually looks like fun but Nintendo really needs to start creating some new franchises or risk getting really, really stale.

In theory I would agree with you but Nintendo is churning out these games based on the demands of their audience. People want more Mario and Zelda. I dont think its necessarily a bad thing to continue those franchises so long as they can keep the stories and gameplay fresh and/or complleing. Just look at Mario Galaxy. Maybe the game will suck (doubtful from everything Ive heard so far) but at least they took it in a direction no one would have imagined before.

wytefang wrote:

HoChiWaWa wrote:

wytefang wrote:Wow. Another Zelda game...

when you are typing out a post, think to yourself for a moment
"do I have anything to add to this conversation?"

when the answer is no, hit the back button and go read another thread.

Interesting, this same thing could be said for about HALF the population at SBG. Just because someone questions any game (at all), doesn't mean that 1. they're evil, 2. they have some internal bias, or 3. they just want to dump on threads for no reason. Believe it or not, it's entirely possible to have decent discussions and debate if you're not tied, in fanboy fashion to your chosen games' success or popularity.

I know that maturity is hard to come by around SBG (at times) but come on, folks, at least make an effort. It certainly doesn't help the site any, that much is for certain. :roll:

You weren't trying to create any kind of dialogue, there is no way on earth to interpret what you posted as anything other than a troll. I can't even believe you're going to try and backtrack out of it this way.

Whatever dude. We'll have to agree to disagree. Not backtracking here at all. I stand firmly behind my point that there are WAY too many game franchise, PC or Console, that are being recycled these days and even worse, it's sad that gamers are willing to chug down the same ol' drink over and over again.

Stop trying to create a conflict where there is none and was no intention of creating one. Thanks.

In many a forum, a comment like that would provoke a fairly similar reaction, especially if you're in a Zelda specific thread.

Mostly because it's the definition of trolling. It also derails the thread, like as evidenced by this post.

...Zelda has green clothes. [/ON TOPIC!]

and a sword!

Except I got Zelda confused with Link...

...

Carry on.

Chris-AJ wrote:Except I got Zelda confused with Link...

...

Carry on.

Yeah. One is a princess and the other is a little boy wielding a sweet master sword. Shame on you Chris.

Snowcone wrote:

Chris-AJ wrote:Except I got Zelda confused with Link...

...

Carry on.

Yeah. One is a princess and the other is a little boy wielding a sweet master sword. Shame on you Chris.

Hey, it's not my fault. Before I played a Zelda game when I was a kid, I thought the little green guy was named Zelda...and that it was his legend.

Blame my childhood.

wytefang wrote:

graham wrote:Wyte, we get it. You don't care about console games.

Nope, not it at all. Just tired of the same game being recycled over and over and over again.

Yeah... it's nothing like Civilization, Doom, Age of Empires, Command and Conquer, Warcraft, King's Quest, Monkey Island, Unreal Tournament, Worms, or SimCity. Yeah... those games gave us a slew of sequels that were innovative and nothing like the originals...

Personally, I love the fact another Zelda game is out. They've always been the pinnacle of console adventure gaming, and Nintendo is always taking the franchise many steps forward. I'm looking forward to playing this one, too.

And I wish the forum mods would just go ahead and ban Whytefinger, for his own good. It must suck to be disliked by so many people.

Being disliked by specific people on the forum who would be banned in any other forum I've ever been to, doesn't really bother me, to be honest with you. It's when the lame-o's are agreeing with me that I start worrying. Furthermore, ya just gotta love someone making those kind of comments who has a whopping total of 12 posts on the site and hasn't really done anything for the site. At least I've put work into making SBG better, regardless of chafing anyone the wrong way or not.

And Wayne, I'd agree with you, as I said, on any platform, recycled games are lame.

I can't wait. I love Zelda games, even the ones I never finish.

I'm a game not-finisher. It's true.

I suspect that you're not the only one. I think I've maybe only fully finished like 10-20 games in my life. Sad, really.

Yeah, I don't usually finish games...I did beat Link's Awakening DX and the GBA port of LttP, though.

I have beaten every 2d Zelda except 2. I hate that one.

Yeah...Zelda 2 is one of those games that, had it not had a big Nintendo name on it, would be really popular. It's just too high a standard.

See also:
Yoshi's Story
Super Princess Peach
Luigi's Mansion
Donkey Kong 3
Wario: Master of Disguise

Donkey Kong 3 is awesome.

Wario: Master of Disguise...ugh.

wytefang wrote:Being disliked by specific people on the forum who would be banned in any other forum I've ever been to, doesn't really bother me, to be honest with you. It's when the lame-o's are agreeing with me that I start worrying. Furthermore, ya just gotta love someone making those kind of comments who has a whopping total of 12 posts on the site and hasn't really done anything for the site. At least I've put work into making SBG better, regardless of chafing anyone the wrong way or not.

And Wayne, I'd agree with you, as I said, on any platform, recycled games are lame.

It's laughable that you always revert to this "they'd be banned on any other forum" mentality when these problems arise. Yet, the problems always come up when you've trolled a thread (which is seriously bannable in any other forum) with your PC obsession. If you want to make jabs at console games, do so elsewhere. Otherwise grow a sack, and realize just how much of an ass you make yourself sound like when you make posts like the one that started shit in this thread, and at least one more thread today. You really need to get a clue, and realize that maybe the problem really isn't EVERYONE ELSE!

I even hate Zelda. Seriously. Ask any of these guys what two games I hate the most. They'll tell you. I agree with you about recycled shit, and Nintendo's love for it, but damn man. I'm not being all condescending to everyone about it.

wytefang wrote:Whatever dude. We'll have to agree to disagree. Not backtracking here at all. I stand firmly behind my point that there are WAY too many game franchise, PC or Console, that are being recycled these days and even worse, it's sad that gamers are willing to chug down the same ol' drink over and over again.

Stop trying to create a conflict where there is none and was no intention of creating one. Thanks. ;)

You were flat-out trolling. You weren't trying to say anything constructive until people started telling you off.

wytefang wrote:Wow. Another Zelda game...

What internet do you use where this isn't textbook trolling? If you had any other intentious, you would have said anything else. This isn't even the first time you've pulled this kind of thing.

wytefang wrote:I feel badly for those of you waiting for this huge title but since I'm not a fan of the series, it didn't even make me blink once.

You just had to let everyone know you didn't give a shit about GTAIV, and then made the weakest attempt I've ever seen to disguise at troll.

Whatever. If you speak your mind against any big-name game around here, you're gonna get flamed. Everyone knows that. You'll be labeld a troll or various other names...it's just what it is.

Kind of ruins the whole point of having a forum, i.e. somewhere you can discuss the pros, cons, or your opinion in general about the forum's subject matter, regardless of whether it's good or bad.

It's not falling back on anything to say what I've said about particular forum members at this site. While I, nearly always, focus on the game or the platform I'm speaking about or against, others rapidly change the focus to target me (or anyone else doing this) rather than the subject matter. This is just as 'ban-worthy' as any heinous crime I may have committed by speaking against a particular game or issue.

wyte, you don't need to explain yourself. Just stop.

I hope that wasn't reference to me when you said "Some people here would be banned on any other forum." Because I felt like it was, and it hurt.

wytefang wrote:Whatever. If you speak your mind against any big-name game around here, you're gonna get flamed. Everyone knows that. You'll be labeld a troll or various other names...it's just what it is.

Kind of ruins the whole point of having a forum, i.e. somewhere you can discuss the pros, cons, or your opinion in general about the forum's subject matter, regardless of whether it's good or bad.

It's not falling back on anything to say what I've said about particular forum members at this site. While I, nearly always, focus on the game or the platform I'm speaking about or against, others rapidly change the focus to target me (or anyone else doing this) rather than the subject matter. This is just as 'ban-worthy' as any heinous crime I may have committed by speaking against a particular game or issue.

The problem here isn't that you don't like Zelda games. It's that you came in, said "Wow, another Zelda game..." and left. There was no commentary, no reasoning for being down on a game you haven't played, and then you get upset when people called you on it.

I know you can be articulate wyte. If you have a point to make then make it, but you can't expect people to sit back and take it when you come into a thread and make a negative comment with no reason.

In all honesty, why does it matter that it's a Zelda game? No game (that I'm aware of), inside the Zelda series or otherwise has controlled in this way. Would it be okay if it was "Steven's Big Adventure" instead of "The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass"? Because we've only got so many genres, and to be honest, I love seeing a genre evolve and get better with each entry. FPS weren't done after Wolf3D and DooM; we're still improving and trying new things with the genre today. And what's Nintendo doing? Trying something new with the action-adventure genre.

It shouldn't matter that the story revolves around Link saving the world. That's not what the games are about. They're about puzzles and boss fights and exploration. The name helps sell the game, and you can't fault a company for trying to make money.

I played the Japanese version of this game and overall I thought it was great. The controls took some time to get used to, and I thought that movement could have been handled better by the D-pad. However, once you get the hang of using the stylus for everything it seems natural.

I don't want to put in any spoilers so I won't say much about gameplay & storyline except that I like the sailing aspect of the game better than the sailing in WW.

Also, regarding Zelda 2, it's one of the few Zelda titles that I didn't finish. In fact, it actually made me cry when I was a kid. I still harbor an unnatural dislike for the game, even today...

Numos wrote:

I hope that wasn't reference to me when you said "Some people here would be banned on any other forum." Because I felt like it was, and it hurt.

I laughed, the pic of George makes it.

I'm a little wary about not using the D-Pad, although I'll probably get around to playing it. I feel like they should have made it an option to use it or not, unless, of course, they saved the D-Pad for something else.

I've been playing Ocarina of Time again on and off, so I've been on a Zelda kick. Getting something for my rarely used DS would pass time at college, so I think I'm just gonna splurge on this.

Gilligan wrote:

Numos wrote:

I hope that wasn't reference to me when you said "Some people here would be banned on any other forum." Because I felt like it was, and it hurt.

I laughed, the pic of George makes it.

I'm a little wary about not using the D-Pad, although I'll probably get around to playing it. I feel like they should have made it an option to use it or not, unless, of course, they saved the D-Pad for something else.

I've been playing Ocarina of Time again on and off, so I've been on a Zelda kick. Getting something for my rarely used DS would pass time at college, so I think I'm just gonna splurge on this.

The dpad does other things. You really get used to the stylus quick.

Numos wrote:

I hope that wasn't reference to me when you said "Some people here would be banned on any other forum." Because I felt like it was, and it hurt.

Although I know you're joking, it actually wasn't directed your way at all.

Some good humor with that picture, though, that's for certain.

Zelda sucks.

Relm wrote:Zelda sucks.

Tekken sux more!

wytefang wrote:Being disliked by specific people on the forum who would be banned in any other forum I've ever been to, doesn't really bother me, to be honest with you. It's when the lame-o's are agreeing with me that I start worrying. Furthermore, ya just gotta love someone making those kind of comments who has a whopping total of 12 posts on the site and hasn't really done anything for the site. At least I've put work into making SBG better, regardless of chafing anyone the wrong way or not.

And Wayne, I'd agree with you, as I said, on any platform, recycled games are lame.

And I guarantee that people will want to read my whopping 12 posts (13 now) more than any of your 1200+ troll-like comments.

So now, please, your grace, explain how this game is recycled, except for the story, which is not so much recycled as it is a sequel. Which game before it does it recycle the control scheme from? I am truly interested in your answer to this, Mr. Fang.

Recycled refers to the fact that Nintendo makes their living (primarily) off of a very tiny stable of characters and original IP. They just re-use, and re-use the same guys over and over again. It's to the point where, regardless of platform (so they're using the DS touch-screen, it's magically different somehow, now!) it just gets really, really boring.

Why don't they extend themselves, take a chance, prove that they can being interesting or valid without making "Super Mario 12: So very tired", or "Pokemon: Chartreuse", or "The Legend of Zelda in the Nursing Home".

I am in no way anti-Nintendo, having absolutely adored the N64, but after a while you start to realize that they just want to recycle everything they have and live off of it.

I can certainly agree that, at least from a hardware perspective, the Wii is a great sign that they're starting to realize the value of change, but I'd much prefer to see it in the games themselves.

Finally, this is not a comparative statement, as in some other platforms (PC, PS3, or Xbox) are more creative or use less recycling, it's just a statement that plenty of people have drawn away from Nintendo over the years because of this lack of enthusiasm, on their part, to put out new IP.

If they stopped making Zelda games fans would throw a shitfit and you know it. Same with Mario, Pokemon and probably Metroid. They make the games because there is a high demand for them not because "its easy to recycle characters", not only that but they manage to keep the gameplay relatively fresh in the process.

wytefang wrote:Finally, this is not a comparative statement, as in some other platforms (PC, PS3, or Xbox) are more creative or use less recycling, it's just a statement that plenty of people have drawn away from Nintendo over the years because of this lack of enthusiasm, on their part, to put out new IP.

Wow. You really think this is true? I would say that Mario, Zelda, and Metroid are the main games which have kept people playing Nintendo games, not pushed them away.

And I see by your reply that when you say "recycle", it simply means to use the same characters from a previous game. Gameplay means nothing to you.

Out of curiosity why does re-using the characters mean all that much if the mechanics of the game are completely different. Shouldn't the mechanics be what drives what is original and what isn't? It's seem pretty retarded to believe that just because something has a popular character it is just a rehash of what game before.

Haven't you ever played Mario Party 8? It's basically the same game as Super Mario Bros. 2.

Scotty Love wrote:Haven't you ever played Mario Party 8? It's basically the same game as Super Mario Bros. 2.

I knew there was something familiar about it.

Gameplay can also be different, here and there, but you only have to look at how many titles are mostly iterative changes at best to see how much Nintendo loves re-hashing everything they do.

I'd prefer that they took an entire year and just worked on creating all new original IP and games, just to liven things up. It's like the old phrase "going back to the well." Nintendo loves to go back to the well, and while they may walk to the well backwards sometimes or with a shiny green bucket instead of their usual red one, it's still the same well pumping out the same type and taste of water. That may be great for gamers who just want the same meal, over and over again, albeit slightly changed based on the platform, but some people would love to see what they can do with a bit more originality and effort.

Wyte, you're overlooking the original IP that Nintendo has actually created. In the past few years, I can name a few off the top of my head: Chibi-Robo, Elite Beat Agents, Nintendogs, Battalion Wars...there are things they're doing with new ideas and new characters. Plus, some of the games they're making with franchises are fresh and unique -- like Super Paper Mario.

You can criticize Nintendo for a lot of things...but as long as Miyamoto and the gang are around, they'll make new, different games.

Touche to an extent but their games still feel a bit too simplistic and childish for my tastes (obviously each to his own, of course). It's that portion of Nintendo's game design that feels the same too.

I'll agree that they've found a few new, cool hits in Nintendogs and EBA (cool game, actually) but I'd really like to see more of them.

This "discussion" is pretty pointless.

Saw the commercial for the game this thread is supposed to be skewed toward. It looked interesting, but not interesting enough for me to get a DS.

And thus Relm hath spoken. I will concur with her assessment. We've said everything we can say here and obviously the critics are loving this game so what the hell do I know? LOL

Might be time for me to get a DS.

I ended up grabbing it used.

... Boomerang pathing = mindless fun!
(Linebeck is annoying in a "stereotypical japanese over-reacting" sort of way.)

I really found the game the be vastly overrated, but I think I may have a natural aversion to using the touch screen.

Maybe. It's fun, but it doesn't seem "omg amazing!"

Mass Effect holds that title.

Mass effect is amazing, for sure. It does begin to get a bit long in the tooth if you try to do all of the side missions, and AI is broken on a good day, but on the whole it's great.

wytefang wrote:Might be time for me to get a DS.

Damn, I missed all the fun. I always do.

Eh, wyte? As a PC fanboy to another, I should say, I love this game. Nintendo made the DS utilizing a lot of new, innovative ideas. Zelda: Phantom Hourglass requires a lot of thinking at some stages, but the solutions make you laugh. Honestly, I laughed out loud.

The method of controlling with the stylus feels natural and yeah, everything's good.